Volume 026 |
DARTS THAILAND |
June 2009 |
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WE'RE BACK - BIGGER & BETTER |
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So where have we been? Goofing off drinking beer and just playing darts? Fair enough - yes some of the time but most of time has been spent preparing all the upgrades you now see on the DT site. NOTE - The images of the new DT additions in this article are only images - drop down menus or links are only functional on the real items AND images are reduced here - actual devices easier to read. | |||||||||||
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Menu Navigation Bar - KaptainX's new menu bar that will allow easier navigation over the entire website. Cursor over Newsletter - Leagues or DT Tools with your mouse and you'll see additional drop down menus - to every newsletter - known league in Thailand and all DT Tools including our library. This new menu navigation bar is now found on every DT page except newsletters. | |||||||||||
![]() DT Forum - In addition to the forum's new appearance keeping it in theme with the overall site the major additions are a user's photo gallery and events calendar. Users may now create and upload photos to their own gallery. Also announce your own events in addition to the DT Events Calendar. The forum is now Thai Friendly - posts can now be made in Thai with translation available to English or visa versa. Our hope is to include more of our darters uncomfortable with writing in English to post on the forum. And finally last but certainly not l ![]() We hope these new additions will make the site easier for you to navigate, and more helpful finding darts information. Also hope that it doesn't cause some of you a bit behind the computer learning curve too much aggravation. A FAQ will soon be added to the DT Tools dropdown menu to assist those not so familiar with computer tools. Have already had questions about how to create and upload your personal avatar on the forum. But in the meantime - will someone please tell Kenny that he can't buy an avatar in any Bangkok shop as he continues his quest for a shop that will sell him one. - - Johnny |
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THAILAND'S DARTS CHALLENGE ANSWERED |
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DARTOID vs. THE LADIES OF THAILAND |
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![]() (BANGKOK - I6 MAY) Our good friend Paul Seigel (Dartiod) made darts history by answering the call - being the first darts celebrity brave enough to take on The Ultimate Darts Challenge - a match against the Ladies of Thailand. We'll have our report on all the fierce action but not until Paul first releases his report on his Dartoid's World website. Paul can't do that until we finish the video. Let me assure you that the entire DT Video Department editing section is working round the clock on this project - and he's making remarkable progress. As soon as KaptainX gets it finished you'll be able to see Paul's report with video on Dartoid's World. For those who were not in attendance and don't know the outcome check out Dartoid's June Poll - "Dartoid vs. the Ladies of Thailand - What was the scoreline?" it's fun & easy just one-click. |
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THE ULTIMATE DARTS CHALLENGE - Your ranking in the PDO - WDF - ADO - PDC - Medalist or Bullshooter means nothing until you're willing to put it all on the line - take on the Ladies of Thailand. Think you're good? Show us. Show the world. Confident enough to take on this challenge? Contact us and we'll be happy to set it up. Email us at destine-to-doom@dartsthailand.com | |||||||||||
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Talk about darts talent. Talk about tenacity at the oche. Talk about a tempting, tantalizing darts player and I guess that you're talking about Miss Tiam. She's one of a few other lovely darts players in need of a few players to get a team involved in league darts. Don't guess that will be too much longer as I've already signed up. If you're a darts player out and about in Patong and don't yet know Patong Cafe - check out what will become your new regular hangout. | |||||||||||
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INTERVIEW WITH PAUL LIM |
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One of the absolute perks of contributing to Darts Thailand is that you don't have to go anywhere to meet the great players. Eventually most of the greats in our beloved sport of darts make a trip to Thailand. This month I had the unique opportunity to not only meet Paul Lim but he graciously agreed to sit down for an exclusive interview. The old adage is true - the bigger they are the downright nicer they are. Paul's positive energy for darts is amazing. Just hearing him talk wants to make you pick up some darts. I wish I had a tenth of what he has as there is no doubt that Bangkok would not be able to import darts supplies fast enough to keep up with new darts enthusiasts. - - Johnny | |||||||||||
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INTERVIEW HIGHLIGHTS |
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Paul's UK Introduction to Darts Papua New Guinea & Singapore USA Move to Play the Circuit Tourney or Pub Darts & Nerves Paul's Most Memorable Win |
1st Thailand Darts Experience Asian Darters' Unique Challenge Steel & Soft - NOT - Steel vs. Soft Paul's Advice to Paul (Dartoid) Paul's Words to DT's Readers |
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BANGKOK DART LEAGUES |
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TUESDAY - LSDL |
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BPDL &
LSDL started season XVIII on 26th May 2009 – Both leagues now
sync-up and come to close on the same date, a big improvement on
last season where the Premier League finished nearly 2 months before
the Fun League - Both Leagues will play-out over 10 weeks, there
will be a one week spacer for administrative needs and then the
Awards Giving Ceremony’, The Tournament – XVIII’ and End of Season
Party’ will take place the following week. The LSDL Premier League became the BPDL – Bangkok Premier Darts League’ for season XVIII – main reason being that the Premier League is open to teams all over Bangkok and not only the Lower Sukhumvit area. |
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![]() Season XVIII of the LSDL kinked off with 3 teams from three new venues, Sportsman entered a Fun team as well as hosting Vichai’s TDA in the Premier League. The core players from Season XVI’s First Division team – Cat’s Meow’ make a comeback for this season under a new captain – Ray – with a new name – Faulty Towers and have relocated to Taffy’s Faulty Towers on Sukhumvit Soi 22 opposite Queens Park Plaza and also BadaBing bar next door to Flaming Moes now host a team in the Tuesday Fun League. LSDL now has 3 Divisions, with 3 new teams joining the league – Two Divisions would have meant a 4 week difference between the finish of Division One and Two. The two teams that got promoted last season did get promoted and the two that went down did go down, with Faulty Towers basically being the old Cat’s Meow they were place at the bottom of the Division One and then Sportsman and Badabing being completely new to darts were added at the bottom of the Division two. The list was then split into 3 Divisions with a BYE in the new Division Two.….More next time…KaptainX |
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THURSDAY - 7th THAILAND DARTS LEAGUE 09 | |||||||||||
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Bunker invaded Stars and in the process blocked off Soi 7 with some
hap-hazard parking of the customized golf buggy. After taking both
game & beer the Bunker Boys sped off in the golf buggy down beach
road at 5kpm chased by the Traffic Police for illegal parking.
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To visit the PattayaDarts.Com website CLICK HERE or on their banner. |
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PATTAYA VS. BANGKOK - GAME ON |
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Lance has a Pattaya Darts Squad ready to rumble - a city v city friendly darts challenge. Bangkok players are defiantly, disorganizedaly, definitely interested. Getting our players to agree on dates - one weekend in Bangkok - one in Pattaya is the toughest challenge for us. Been told to just set the dates and we will get the players. Will be talking to Lance about this and by next newsletter you will see the dates. We're all looking forward to making this a regular event. | |||||||||||
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(Steen's
report - April - as always on-time - DT apologies for late
publishing) The last week of the season saw Queen Mary and Piccadilly share points 5-5. The result means that Queen Mary won the season undefeated. The evening had some great dart with high score being shared between Halvor, QM, and Gerry, Steve and Tony, Pic, all on 140. Steen of Queen Mary secured the important 5th point by closing his double from 73 with 19, 14, tops. (Steen went for t19, d8, but we won't tell. It looked convincing!!) Great evening, excellent food and a good way to finish a season! Offshore secured 3rd place with a 7-3 win over Market Bar. Mike, Off, took high score with 140, but Market Bar enjoyed the beer. Celtic continued their good spell winning 8-2 over Boozers bringing them 4th. Hilltop fought hard to avoid the toilet seat and secured 5-5 against Beach House by winning the beer. Morten of HT took high score with 140. The winner of the toilet seat was Friends bar who lost 3-7 to Shakers. Pascal, SH, took high score with 140 and Shaun closed the beer from 54 with s18, d18. March 31 results: Piccadilly* 4 - Queen Mary 5; Market Bar* 2 - Offshore 7; Celtic* 7 - Boozers 2; Hilltop* 4 - Beach House 5; Shakers* 6 - Friends Bar 3; (* winner of beer leg) Final standings (points/beer legs): 1. Queen Mary (136/14); 2. Piccadilly (122/13); 3. Offshore (101/9); 4. Celtic (98/13); 5. Market Bar (92/9); 6. Shakers (81/7); 7. Beach House (74/7); 8. Hilltop (68/5); 9. Boozers (65/7); 10. Friends Bar (63/6); The trophy party will be in Queen Mary Tuesday 7th, starting at 8:30 PM. The new season will start on April 21st. Thank you for a good season. See you all on Tuesday. Cheers, Steen |
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HUA HIN DARTS LEAGUE |
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DART BAR OF THE MONTH |
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![]() Bourbon St. has one steel-tip dart board and three soft-tip boards. Photo left shows one each in the bar area. Two other soft-tip boards are in the game room along with a pool table and foos ball table. Bourbon St. now holds the Darts Thailand - Dart Bar of the Month Record - photo at the darts throw with the owner and the most ladies. Doug and his twelve ladies now hold the record. Previous record - The Sport Corner Bar on Sukhumvit Soi 20 with owner Tim and ten ladies set in April 2008. - - Bourbon St. website - CLICK HERE |
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EDITORIAL by "The Big Witkowski" |
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WHY SOFT-TIP DARTS FAIL IN THAILAND |
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When Darts
Thailand first reported news on soft-tip darts - we received major
flack from hardcore steel-tip players. Being argumentative buggers
by nature - we welcome this. Our stance was - and still is - that we
report darts news be it steel-tip or soft-tip. However DT as well as
our readers grow tired of reading about hopeful future Sunday
soft-tip tournaments at Bourbon St. that never materialize. So why
doesn't this happen? Why do long time steel-tip players tell us that
they'd like to give a soft-tip darts tourney a try - but before they
die?![]() 1) Does Bourbon St. owner Doug (3 Medalist boards) want events? - YES 2) Do local steel--tip players want to check it out? - YES 3) Bourbon St. events will attract new players (Medalist philosophy)? - YES 5) Can Medalist provide support with staff making this happen? - NO 5) Has Darts Thailand introduced support personnel for training? - YES 6) Current Situation - SNAFU - No Progress - NOTHING NEW . . . I personally challenge Medalist to contradict a single point I've mentioned above. You boys would be better off sending a straight-shooter like Paul Lim here full time to promote your product. Your email is always welcome but we'd rather have all debate up-front and in the open. Your are welcome to post on our forum or you may offer a rebuttal that we will publish (un-edited) in next month's newsletter. - - Johnny - DartsThailand.com |
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![]() A ton of people showed up, which is always a good thing. A lot of these people were attractive women, which is always a better thing. The highlights were as follows: Round one of this double elimination tournament saw Colin claw past John, a determined David rout KaptainX, Roger sneak past fan-favorite Tum and Scott steal a win from Kung (who was acting as a spot-holder for the late arriving Neill). Further round one action saw Harry get past Sar, On stun teammate Tom with a big victory and Dono (amidst a resounding course of boos) beat the lovely Sai. |
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As things
progressed, early favorite Pad went down to the boisterous little
fella from TOT, Somnuek. Nuek's winning ways continued as he fought
through a handy combo of Colin and David to emerge in the
semi-finals. Meanwhile, another fan favorite, Pelican's own Harry,
plowed through Scott and a despondent Dono on his way to square off
with the feisty Nuek in the semi-final. Over in the loser's bracket, the lovely Tum and the (erm...not quite so lovely) Pad were making some noise. They mowed through a series of game competitors until they squared off and, sadly for all assembled gentlemen, Pad got the best of her. But, as it turns out, David (who played some top-notch darts on the evening) had a little somethin' waitin for Pad, and the big Brit proved too much to overcome. |
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David proceeded to beat his friend Colin again, setting up a show-down between himself and Harry (who'd just been knocked out of the winner's bracket by Nuek) to see which farang competitor would square off with Nuek in the final. Harry had been game all night, but, it must be said, David was on fire. He bested Harry, setting up a rematch with Somnuek for the championship trophy. After a night of settin' the place ablaze, David seemed to have run out of steam, and the little Thai lad with the big voice, Somnuek, emerged victorious. With Harry finishing third, David raking second prize, and knockout newcomer Somnuek gettin' the big boy, it was nice to see 3 new faces in the winner's circle. | |||||||||||
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A good time was had by most. Booze was quaffed. Women were oggled. Darts were thrown. Gotta think that qualifies as a good night out. Special thanks this time to Moonshine's David, who did far more than his fair share of scoring, and to all the lovely ladies who turned out. I think I speak for all assembled when I say, the more lasses, the better. And, as always, thanks to KaptainX whose half-assed organizational skills are still a full quarter-ass better than my own. God only knows what a wreck it would have been if that lad wasn't on hand. Goodnight, stay safe and dry, and thank you. | |||||||||||
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Until next time I remain drunk, confused and (given that it's the middle of Songkran) wet, sitting in my naugahyde corner. - - Professor Drink |
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. The Moonshine April 2009 Knockout saw record numbers, with 36 darts players and many more supporters – The night kicked off around 8:30pm with a lot of games ahead, the initial rounds’ first games up were Tom Vs Ray, Ray is the captain of new team joining the LSDL darts league for s ![]() First Round Set One – 301, best-of-One, Sudden-Death - Boy beat Ghost - Corner Bar Boy’ sent Russell packing, CW beat Ray and then Adul lost his first game of the ![]() First Round Set Two – Stu recently back from the UK lost to Ray The Man’ from Flaming Moes. Boggs from the White Lightening Tuesday league team knocked me off my perch when he finally got his revenge after a long run of losses against me in league and tournament play. Tik from On’s Place took a game from Su who plays out of Aloha Bar, then in a surprise game – Gayle took Giffy out of play at least in the winners brackets anyway. Somsak from Pattaya, recently out of hospital won his first match against Jeab from Corner in Queens Park Plaza and finally, Scott just didn’t have what it took to beat Kob who went through and left Scott to the losers brackets for his last chance at the finals. . |
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In the playoff brackets, with the first 4 games now ready to roll –
Russell put an end to Chariness’ hopes for the night, Tom lost his
last chance to Sai – Then in a surprisingly close match, I missed my
double-out and Pad of course got his in first dart – game over for
me, Then Matt from D’Pelican Inn
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The second round in the loser’s brackets, with another 12 matches to
play – First up was David who fell victim the Russell’s Rampage -
Russell being one of the few people to get a 180 in Knockout play
here in Bangkok. Girls playing well – Ae beat Adul, however CW
wasn’t as forgiving sending Tum packing and Sai got another point
back for the girls winning her game against Ghost. ![]() Next up – with a few more games to go in this round – On’ lost to Pad – Giffy had upped her play after losing to Gayle earlier on in tournament making sure she didn’t lose again, Giffy beat Jeab – Gayle lost her last chance to Roger and Boggs wasn’t having any of it, ![]() Back over the winners side – Corner Bar Boy’ wasn’t letting anyone past him, he won his next match against Ron – Nuek beat Harry but not before getting a Ton80 – Nuek then lost his radiance in next match against Corner Bar Boy’ – Boy went through. Meanwhile, Ray the Man was beating Tik sending her through to the playoffs for a second chance, Kob then won his game against Somsak and went on to lose his first chance at finals to Ray The Man’. |
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![]() The night was almost over, 36 people had played off and only 4 remained. Corner Bar Boy’ beat Ray The Man and In close match, Pad finished off Ae’s tremendous effort at the oche going through to try his might against Boy, winning his game and going on to beat Ray the Man’ in Finals. |
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Trophies were awarded and Congratulations given to 4th Place – Ae, 3rd Place – Boy from Corner ![]() Thanks to Mitch & Wassana for the great food and great prizes as always, Cheers to girls at Moonshine Pub! And Thanks to Myself..Ha-ha, David, Johnny and anyone else who helped run the tournament that I have forgotten to mention….See You Next Time – KaptainX |
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27 JUNE SATURDAY - 8 PM Moonshine Pub Knockout - Trophies, Door Prizes and Free Food. 300 Baht buy-in with all buy-in going to players bar bill. Queen's Park Plaza, Sukhumvit Soi 22 - Bangkok. | |||||||||||
28 JUNE - SUNDAY - 6 PM On's Place "Last Sunday of the Month Knockout". Prizes for Top Finishing Players, Door Prizes and Free Food. 300 Baht buy-in with all buy-in going to players bar bill. Sukhumvit Soi 22 (Nearer Rama IV) - Bangkok. | |||||||||||
Your obvious question - over one month's time why were these two events scheduled one day after the other? Answer - The Bangkok Pool League (both Mon 8-Ball and Wed 9-Ball) are at their end of season play offs already having scheduled events on the prior weekends. As you all know we share some of the same players and venues and do our best to accommodate each other. If this answer does not satisfy you - we encourage you to send all negative, complaining emails to Mark - president of Bangkok Pool League - email contact found at - http://www.bangkokpool.com/ | |||||||||||
EDITORS NOTE - Knockout Events are run by bars and not in any way governed by the LSDL (Lower Sukhumvit Darts League). Although KaptainX and I are both committee members on the LSDL our promotion of knockout events is on behalf of Darts Thailand. Notifying us of your darts event allows better organization in scheduling so as not to have two events on the same night. Our new darts events calendar link can be found on the main page. And remember - the earlier you notify us about your event the better we can promote it. - - Johnny | |||||||||||
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1986 The honours
go to a local player! Unfortunately I do not have a lot of
information about this years Open competition, Open Single champion
Sombat. EGAT - runner up Titti Phuket. Ladies champion Yow Marsden -
runner up Tim Suarez. - - - Peter Rushby . 1985 Nation Articles by Kenneth Ywin. |
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Welcome y'all and a jolly May and new darts season thing to everyone. This month due to our mail bag being so full of letters from all Jayke's Take lovers we are going to delve into our postbag and publish what's on your minds. Keep em coming- sorry we can't answer all your letters and queries but I really can't be arsed. | |||||||||||
![]() JAYKE SAYS Absolutely- just make sure you check when ordering how the chicken you are set to purchase met it's maker. If it had it's limbs cut off in a slaughterhouse that is also ok. |
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![]() Well I eat an apple every day and my husband, a GP comes home every night. Mrs Gasleak, Leeds |
Dear Jayke, I think darts is rubbish but was wondering if you could
recommend a good school in the Willesden area of London for my son
Hubert? Miss M Theresa, Calcutta JAYKE SAYS- Personally I would avoid St Cuthberts in said area- despite being run by Nuns who call themselves the 'Sisters of Mercy', I find it quite ironic that the beat the living daylights out of the kids with bamboo canes on a daily basis for not saying the rosary. |
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Dear Jayke, I recently bough a job lot of Happy Birthday cards but
am unable to use them up and still have about 150 in my desk draw.
Ay ideas what I can do with them? PS I hate darts as well.
Norman Bates, Arizona JAYKE SAYS- Simple, take a magic marker pen and simply add the word JESUS after HAPPY BIRTHDAY to all the cards. That way you don't have to buy any Xmas cards and kill two birds with 1 stone. |
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![]() Dear Jayke, I played darts once and didn't much care for it. What do you think about the smoking ban in pubs? M Marceau, Paris JAYKE SAYS I think people have gone off smoking and is the tobacco industries own fault. By putting these horrible stickers on packets warning of the dangers of smoking they have if anything put people off buying the product. |
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![]() JAYKE SAYS- am always wary about fast food joints. Pubs won't serve me when incredibly drunk but McDonalds will still serve the fattest person on earth 24 hours a day. |
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![]() JAYKE SAYS- I think it's nice that Prince Harry still goes out of his way to remember his German roots. |
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Dear Jayke, I saw darts on TV once. Do you think pirated DVDs are
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Dear Jayke, my Mum used to say 'life's too short to argue'. I have
to disagree. This morning before work I had a blazing row with the
missus, a set-to with a customer in the office and a fight with my
boss. All this before my first tea break of the day. Phil Collins, Wigan |
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Whilst playing darts the other night a chap tried to pick a fight
with me and then shouted 'I know where you live'. One thing is for
sure, he doesn't work for the Thai post office as I've yet to
receive a single letter in 5 years. Mr Weasel, Ottershaw |
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![]() ![]() The Old Other Office has been in operation for about 45 years. This has to make it the granddad of all Bangkok dart pubs. For those unfamiliar with Bangkok few if any businesses last this long nor the buildings as they are always leveled and replaced with larger taller structures. First called "The Other Office" it was later named "The New Other Office" and about ten years after that "The Old Other Office". |
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Next stop was next
door to Pinocchio's Club once host bar to some top notch dart teams.
The back bar still has wall to wall trophies of all their teams' past
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![]() ![]() ![]() For anyone reading this who was part of the Patpong darts scene in the past and would like to get a message to any old friends you have read about here - we have a category on our forum for contacting old dart friends. Realizing that most people mentioned in this article do not use internet is not a problem. Post your message on the forum or email us directly and we'll get your message to your old friend. ![]() A Patpong Tip - many darts players from the Sukhumvit area are put off from going to Patpong because of the stationary tout taxis at the end of Patpong 2 on Silom Road - their exorbitant price gouging for a a trip back home. Later at night even regular moving taxis on Silom heading toward Rama IV refuse to use their meters. Easy Solution - cross Silom Road and catch a taxi heading in the wrong direction. There is an easy U Turn just down the road and these taxis will use their meters. I had a great night in Patpong meeting some old friends and would like to thank Ae and Adul for their Patpong tour and introducing me to new friends. - - Johnny |
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EDITOR'S NOTE Name The Dart Player Feature - older photos of players you know gone for good? Nope, that will return for sure. Truth is a lot of your much appreciated observations "WERE" true. We got started into too many things. So will you see less? Nope, not at all. We needed some time to re-group and re-organize and have accomplished that. Newsletters and regular features including overdue photo galleries will be found in a timely manner in the future. Oh yeah, we've heard that before. Yep you did, but think we got it nailed down this time. Time will tell but I bet you a beer that you will see a difference and anyone who knows me knows I don't take a beer bet lightly. If you're a darter traveling to Thailand by all means pack your darts. New to Thailand? Contact us and we'll point you in the direction of the nearest darts bar. Traveling in a group and want an impromptu darts match - no problem - - Johnny "The Big Witkowski" johnny@dartsthailand.com |
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